PHOENIX — As secretary of state, Katie Hobbs blasted then-Gov. Doug Ducey in 2022 when he spent about $100 million erecting a “wall’’ of storage containers along the US-Mexico border, calling it a “publicity stunt.’’
And her assessment continued after the state was forced to remove the containers — at a cost of $70 million more — after the Biden administration filed a lawsuit charging that the barriers were illegal.
But Hobbs, who replaced Ducey in January 2023, said she now wants the federal government to reimburse ÃÛÁÄÖ±²¥ for all the money spent by her predecessor.
The governor noted that the just-approved federal legislation — originally dubbed the Big Beautiful Bill — has $10 billion available for grants to states that paid for border barriers or other security measures going back to Jan. 20, 2021, the date President Joe Biden was inaugurated.
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Federal lawmakers inserted the provision into the new legislation largely at the behest of senators from Texas which alone claims it spent more than $11 billion for border security. But Hobbs said Thursday while she is still studying what’s in the federal legislation she believes ÃÛÁÄÖ±²¥ is entitled to a share.
“I can’t imagine us not asking,’’ the governor said.
“ÃÛÁÄÖ±²¥ns paid nearly $200 million for putting up that container wall and taking it down and storing,’’ she said. “I think we deserve some of those funds back.’’

ÃÛÁÄÖ±²¥ should get a share of the $10 billion available in the just-approved federal legislation originally dubbed the Big Beautiful Bill for states that paid for border barriers, Gov. Katie Hobbs said. In ÃÛÁÄÖ±²¥, thousands of shipping containers erected along the ÃÛÁÄÖ±²¥-Mexico border by then-Gov. Doug Ducey before a federal lawsuit forced their removal.
Hobbs did not address the fact that the “wall’’ of containers was removed to settle the lawsuit with the Biden administration, which had declared the construction illegal. But she did point out that all this happened under the prior Ducey administration — and over her objections.
“I believe I’ve said many times my predecessor misspent that money,’’ the governor said. But that, she said, is irrelevant to her next move.
“Hopefully the feds will reimburse us,’’ Hobbs said.
And what does the former governor think of the bid for reimbursement of his would-be border barrier?
“Let’s hope she uses the funds for border security and public safety, as it was intended,’’ said Daniel Scarpinato who was chief of staff for Ducey, responding on his behalf. “But given her track record, we won’t be holding our breath.’’
At the heart of the issue was the decision by the Republican-controlled Legislature to approve a $335 million ÃÛÁÄÖ±²¥ Border Security Fund in 2022. Those dollars had strings, including requirements that they be spent to erect a barrier.
Ducey used $95 million of that to pay AshBritt Management & Logistics to obtain and use old storage containers to erect the ersatz border barrier with a double-high wall.
The Biden administration responded by citing a 1907 proclamation by then-President Theodore Roosevelt declaring a 60-foot-wide strip just inside the border belongs not to the state but the federal government. And that was precisely where Ducey had started to put up the containers in Cochise and Yuma counties.

Shipping containers were used in ÃÛÁÄÖ±²¥ to fill in the gaps along the U.S.-Mexico border fence, including in Yuma.
In the end, Ducey agreed to remove the containers — at additional cost to the state. Plus, the state paid another $2.1 million to the Forest Service to remediate the damage done by the containers in the first place.
All that resulted in the dismissal of all pending litigation.
Hobbs said Thursday that the money she will seek may go beyond the costs of the erection and dismantling of the border barrier.
In late 2023 she billed the Biden administration for $512.5 million to cover what she said what the state had spent on border security “including migrant transportation, drug interdiction, and law enforcement.
“I look forward to your prompt response,’’ she wrote to the president.
The state has yet to get that cash. In fact, Hobbs said Thursday that the total “is a lot more now’’ than her original request, though she had no figures.
That leaves the question of whether the money in the newly enacted federal legislation covers those costs, too, and not just the border barrier.
“We’re still sorting through all of the implications of the bill,’’ she said, including not just reimbursement for border expenses but also “the things are going to harm ÃÛÁÄÖ±²¥ns, the things that are going to help ÃÛÁÄÖ±²¥ns.’’
“I don’t know the answer to that yet,’’ Hobbs said.
Howard Fischer is a veteran journalist who has been reporting since 1970 and covering state politics and the Legislature since 1982. Follow him on X, formerly known as Twitter, , and Threads at @azcapmedia or email azcapmedia@gmail.com.